I always thought that Jethro Tull's "Something's on the Move" — likely the only rock song about a glacier — was right in sensing humanity's vulnerability to climate, plus nature's tendency to avenge itself, but wrong as it turned out about the direction of temperature change. Now, with AMOC running amok, I'm not so sure, at least as far as Europe's concerned.
How are you sure that much of it isn’t heat being released underwater volcanic events? Do you have data indicating there is no contribution from internal heat being release due to plate tectonics?
Appreciated, I wanted to know if the role of plate tectonics and vulcanism at the sea floor in the Atlantic and pacific are factored into the models. It would have to be dynamic due to the nature of the phenomenon. But seems that there is a highly variable flow of heat directly from the earth that doesn’t appear to be factored in. Given we have no way of tracking these heat sources in the ocean, how do models account for it?
It's quite clear if you dig into the IPCC reports that the shallow temps are higher than the mid depths. So vulcanism at the very bottom, logically, has little effect at or near the surface. The heat at and near the surface is clearly being absorbed from the atmosphere.
"The report also said an undersea volcano that injected massive amounts of heat-trapping water vapor into the atmosphere also spewed cooling particles with both forces pretty much canceling each other out."
I always thought that Jethro Tull's "Something's on the Move" — likely the only rock song about a glacier — was right in sensing humanity's vulnerability to climate, plus nature's tendency to avenge itself, but wrong as it turned out about the direction of temperature change. Now, with AMOC running amok, I'm not so sure, at least as far as Europe's concerned.
Thanks. For those interested...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UYhULU3Yb0
Thomas
How are you sure that much of it isn’t heat being released underwater volcanic events? Do you have data indicating there is no contribution from internal heat being release due to plate tectonics?
Thanks for the comment, Steve. There are actually a number of sea temperature measurement. Sea surface temperature (SST) is just one.
More at the link: https://sos.noaa.gov/catalog/datasets/ocean-temperature-at-depth-seasonal/
Thomas
Appreciated, I wanted to know if the role of plate tectonics and vulcanism at the sea floor in the Atlantic and pacific are factored into the models. It would have to be dynamic due to the nature of the phenomenon. But seems that there is a highly variable flow of heat directly from the earth that doesn’t appear to be factored in. Given we have no way of tracking these heat sources in the ocean, how do models account for it?
It's quite clear if you dig into the IPCC reports that the shallow temps are higher than the mid depths. So vulcanism at the very bottom, logically, has little effect at or near the surface. The heat at and near the surface is clearly being absorbed from the atmosphere.
HTH,
Thomas
I just noticed this, from: https://apnews.com/article/climate-change-accelerating-record-hot-deadly-434881547b4585a32fa906cf5495d3f0
"The report also said an undersea volcano that injected massive amounts of heat-trapping water vapor into the atmosphere also spewed cooling particles with both forces pretty much canceling each other out."
Thanks for this, Skip.
Thomas